Mainstreet Marketing Machines System

[waltgoshert]

Wow... i just got Mike Koenigs' personal invitation to the Early Bird Access to Mainstreet Marketing Machine special: (no, it's not an affilliate link)

$2997!!!

Now... what does this do that I can't do on my own with TubeMogul, YouTube videos, Landing Page, aWeber auto responder, and maximizing my Google Places and other local listing claims?

Sure it's slick and packaged... but 3000 bucks? That pays for lots of postcard mailings to prospects.

Oh yeah, looking forward to Frank Kern, John Carlton et al to keep blasting my in box with this offe. (but, it IS interesting to see how these deals are launched)

[Nolan]

Hold on to your hat, Walt! Many other big name IM gurus have or are about to invade the 'offline marketing to local businesses' arena. Looks like Frank Kern is starting his (pre)launch churn.

[Dexx]

The video shows you what it contains, but basically it has a 12-week training program, case studies, Q+A with coaches, and then a whole suite of tools like pre-made marketing materials, website templates for clients, videos and music clips, etc.

There's also a built in Email, Mobile Text and Voice Broadcast follow-up system built in (no need for additional tools) and the cream of the crop...an iphone / droid app creator that some members of Firepower have already used to charge clients (like a Dentist) $13,000.

An opportunity finder software that locate profitable keywords for local businesses, and the contact information for pre-qualified contacts in your area etc.

I'll probably be signing up since I can make the money back with just one client even at $250/mo (which is a no-brainer if I charged so low) and then scale up with additional marketing services from there

You can choose to pay monthly payments instead of an upfront $2,997 cost, with a 30 day money back guarantee. So combined with how fast you can rank for low-comp keywords...you can use the software and training to get a ranking, and contact leads within your first week...if you don't close any clients or don't think you got your money's worth...get all your money back within that 30 day period...Win-Win =)

~Dexx

PS - Here's my aff link for the system http://bit.ly/FiremanMikeVid with funds going to support the forum's upkeep

[Dexx]

K guys, I purchased the MSMM program:



There is a TON of info in this thing, including both the 2009 and 2010 Firepower Summit programs (I paid $10 for a 10 minute clip from one last month...can only imagine the rest of it!)

I'm going to put most of my other projects and tasks on hold and really dive into this as much as I can to see if its worth the money prior to the 30 day guarantee being up...

I'll keep you all posted!

~Dexx

[Bonnie]

I bought, too, Dexx... looking forward to getting serious with all the tools and techniques, and sharing opinions about them with you.

[Dexx]

Sounds good Bonnie!

My goal is to recoup the cost of the program USING the training within it, within the next two weeks (or at least have some solid potential leads to close) assuming that happens, then I'll add it as another component to my business.

The only thing is the training of TG is more focused on being a commodity (i.e. something that COULD be price-shopped with a competing video business), but I can definitely see using it as a "foot in door" method for additional sales once the trust/results has been provided.

~Dexx

[BusyAgentPro]

Did you guys already use TrafficGeyser before purchasing MMMS?

[Dexx]

I was a TG Gold+ Member, yuppers

~Dexx

[genesislogic]

Same; was a TG premium member (not firepower) and purchased it today also. I too will be putting in massive hours over the next 2 weeks to give it a thorough overview before deciding to keep it or not. Otherwise, I can just go back to my TG account.

[Dexx]

Exactly Genesis!

So far I must say I'm kind of disappointed in the lack of "preparedness" for the program. There's a lot of "coming soon" areas for the training, and Mike made it seem like the "kick start" program was ready to go so people could hop right into it as soon as they joined up.

The University aspect of things doesn't start until MAY 20th!! (the Q+A townhall meetings start next Tuesday I think)

I'm mostly looking forward to trying out the voice broadcast and iphone app generator, but I have no idea how to use them yet...

Hopefully a lot of that gets addressed soon, mind you the Firepower videos will keep me busy for the next couple days...but what if I was a Firepower user that upgraded? I'd be pretty disappointed...

That being said, a lot of the marketing materials so far look great, the video scripts, video templates, additional royal free music (not previously available to me in TG at least) and Autoresponder series tailored for different niches (Dentists, Chiropractors, etc.)

I know how hectic launches can be, so I'm sure a lot of the bugs will be ironed out, but I can see a lot of people being p.o'd that the University doesn't start until the end of the 30 day money back guarantee...though maybe they decided to do that for a reason? Who knows...

~Dexx

[TheMarketingChick]

Hope to hear you on the call next Tuesday Dexx, Bonnie and GenesisLogic!

Iman

[TheMarketingChick]

I also put a video up on Youtube giving folks a behind the scenes look.

Here's the video :

[raskal]

The University aspect of things doesn't start until MAY 20th!!

humm...seems like those As Seen On TV scams, 30 day money back guarantee from day of purchase but allow 6 weeks for delivery. Do you think you would still have enough training to recoup your money before the thirty days? I agree that the videos made it seem like it was turn key, ready to go training. Thoughts?

[Dexx]

Well as a previous TG member, I'm actually waiting for the manual update of my account to the new Diamond Level...

Currently just going through the Firepower event videos which have some great info, but its the new TG features that will make or break it for me (since the price is actually SLIGHTLY cheaper than having the platinum account for a year, with more features)

I think of it more like Extra Platinum level features with bonus course training (for myself)

~Dexx

[raskal]

@ TheMarketingChick - Thank you for the review, certainly seems interesting. Im excited to see how it works for you

@ Dexx- also interested in your success, especially as a previous user of TG. Seems like much of the package is built around TG's power, has it lived up to the hype for you in your past experience?

[TheMarketingChick]

For those who have questions about the Main Street Marketing Machine product:

Today, at 10am Pacific, 1pm Eastern, Mike Koenigs is kicking off a SEVEN (7) Hour Live, High Definition Web Cast.

On it, he will drill deeply into every possible question about Main Street Marketing Machines that he's already received – AND, attendees will be able to ask questions LIVE.

He's also having several real-world Main Street Marketing Machines Graduates as guests. They’re going to speak candidly about their experiences, struggles, and successes with the program.

Here's the link:http://www.mainstreetmarketingmachin....php?af=867909 and yes, it is an aff. link - use it or don't use it, doesn't matter to me.

Iman

[Jiminopks]

I watched all the vids and liked what Fireman Mike Did, sent email to all Painters.

Here is his website. http://maverickwebvideo.com/

Nice looking site.

Great call to action; 22 vids

Jim

[Dexx]

So far I must say I'm kind of disappointed in the lack of "preparedness" for the program. There's a lot of "coming soon" areas for the training, and Mike made it seem like the "kick start" program was ready to go so people could hop right into it as soon as they joined up.

The University aspect of things doesn't start until MAY 20th!! (the Q+A townhall meetings start next Tuesday I think)

I'm mostly looking forward to trying out the voice broadcast and iphone app generator, but I have no idea how to use them yet...

...

I know how hectic launches can be, so I'm sure a lot of the bugs will be ironed out, but I can see a lot of people being p.o'd that the University doesn't start until the end of the 30 day money back guarantee...though maybe they decided to do that for a reason? Who knows...

~Dexx

Update, looks like they fixed everything and the University Training and Townhall Meetings will both be starting next Tuesday (not May 20th) and there's going to be a training webinar next Wednesday as well to walk through the system.

The "Kick Start" system is actually the "Express Lane" training that regular TG users had access to for learning the program, which is why I didn't think it was what they were referring to, but either way it does help someone get started ASAP.

I did end up finding the training materials for the iPhone App program (its like 2hours of video training and a guide!) but it does look very cool for sure...

The Voice broadcasting + mobile follow up is done through TG's new service: http://voicefollowup.com/ which MSMM members get 3 months of Platinum level to try for free...

Mike K sent out an email just now recommending people get started using the Fireman Mike blueprint training that the members received, and start selecting a niche to target etc. (which will be covered more next Wednesday)

I myself have spent most the day watching the 2009 Firepower Live Event training, and learned quite a lot about video production, screencasting, business strategies etc. so far not too shabby!

Once I actually start trying out the strategies I'll let you all know how it goes =)

Cheers,

~Dexx

[Jimian]

MSMM looks AWESOME! Pricey, but awesome!

~ JIM

[Dexx]

I watched all the vids and liked what Fireman Mike Did, sent email to all Painters.

Here is his website. http://maverickwebvideo.com/

Nice looking site.

Great call to action; 22 vids

Jim

Haha, the main video (first page) is so entertaining BECAUSE it isn't all scripted...just two regular guys telling their stories (and I like the quick little cut aways to each other smiling and giving the thumbs up, heh)

I much prefered that to reading a page of salescopy...I will most likely be revamping my own stuff once I complete the MSMM training

~Dexx

[AmyKay]

Dexx... the website templates that we will use to build sites for clients.. are they wordpress? If not, what is the CMS used?

Thanks,
Amy

[phil]

I will definitely be following this thread. As for purchasing the product, I will hold off for now; I have been given a shovel for free, and I have been taught how to use it. It may not be the newest, shiniest shovel, but it was free and it works. I may get blisters on my hands and sweat on my brow, but that is all I need for now. I am not planning on digging a 3 thousand foot deep hole, at least not yet. But when that time comes, I will know for myself and my clients what I will need additionally. How can I look a potential client in the eye and say, 'I cut the fat and waste from your budget, ...' if I don't cut the fat and waste from my budget first? JMHO.

[Bonnie]

Look at it this way: Imagine that the service you provide is digging trenches for septic tank leach fields. Using a shovel, you can dig the needed trenches for each client in about 2-1/2 days. Long, hard, back-breaking days. (Yes, I have actually dug said trenches - for our own property, not for clients.) If you don't want to kill yourself, you could handle maybe 6 clients per month (you'll need to recover between clients!). If each client pays you $1,000 (this is totally made up, of course), you'd earn $6,000 per month. Now imagine that you rent a backhoe (or buy a used one). Yes, that's a chunk of change. Let's say renting one cost you $500 per day. But it enables you to do in 4 hours what used to take 2-1/2 days. No back-breaking, no need for recovery time. So now you're able to handle 40 clients per month (2 per day; 5 days a week). That's $40,000 gross, minus the cost of the backhoe ($15,000 assuming you keep it on weekends even when you're not working). You are now netting $25,000 per month instead of $6,000... doing your work faster and EASIER.

That may be a silly example, but the "shovel" idea generated it.

Anyway, that's how I'm looking at it. I am interested in tools that make my work faster and easier and MORE PROFITABLE.

And by the way, MSMM is not just a "better shovel" -- as Mike Koenigs constantly points out, it's all about the psychology, not the technology. I, for one, am getting as much or more out of the strategies and techniques being taught than the gee-whiz tools (that's plural on purpose) that will allow me to implement them as quickly and effectively as possible.

[phil]

Look at it this way: Imagine that the service you provide is digging trenches for septic tank leach fields. Using a shovel, you can dig the needed trenches for each client in about 2-1/2 days. Long, hard, back-breaking days. (Yes, I have actually dug said trenches - for our own property, not for clients.) If you don't want to kill yourself, you could handle maybe 6 clients per month (you'll need to recover between clients!). If each client pays you $1,000 (this is totally made up, of course), you'd earn $6,000 per month. Now imagine that you rent a backhoe (or buy a used one). Yes, that's a chunk of change. Let's say renting one cost you $500 per day. But it enables you to do in 4 hours what used to take 2-1/2 days. No back-breaking, no need for recovery time. So now you're able to handle 40 clients per month (2 per day; 5 days a week). That's $40,000 gross, minus the cost of the backhoe ($15,000 assuming you keep it on weekends even when you're not working). You are now netting $25,000 per month instead of $6,000... doing your work faster and EASIER.

That may be a silly example, but the "shovel" idea generated it.

Anyway, that's how I'm looking at it. I am interested in tools that make my work faster and easier and MORE PROFITABLE.

And by the way, MSMM is not just a "better shovel" -- as Mike Koenigs constantly points out, it's all about the psychology, not the technology. I, for one, am getting as much or more out of the strategies and techniques being taught than the gee-whiz tools (that's plural on purpose) that will allow me to implement them as quickly and effectively as possible.

Well put, Bonnie. Once I land my first paying client, I will be able to reinvest into my business. Until then, I need to teach myself to walk before I can fly.

[Dexx]

As a side note Phil and others, before MSMM came along I was about to try a new strategy out using video for lead generation that doesn't require a massive investment in cash.

I never got a chance to implement it as I am busy going through all the MSMM materials right now, but once I complete it, and try some of Fireman Mike's stuff, I'm going to try out my own idea for lead generation and if it works as planned you'll be able to use video in your marketing without having to worry about expensive kits.

Downside is I just don't know how long until that'll be, but hopefully within the next two months here!

I only bought MSMM because I know I can implement it into my current business today and see immediate profit, really its like I had upgraded my TG Gold membership to platinum and paid a year in advance, but its still slightly cheaper...so its like a discount on top of marketing materials!


~Dexx

[phil]

As a side note Phil and others, before MSMM came along I was about to try a new strategy out using video for lead generation that doesn't require a massive investment in cash.

I never got a chance to implement it as I am busy going through all the MSMM materials right now, but once I complete it, and try some of Fireman Mike's stuff, I'm going to try out my own idea for lead generation and if it works as planned you'll be able to use video in your marketing without having to worry about expensive kits.

Downside is I just don't know how long until that'll be, but hopefully within the next two months here!

I only bought MSMM because I know I can implement it into my current business today and see immediate profit, really its like I had upgraded my TG Gold membership to platinum and paid a year in advance, but its still slightly cheaper...so its like a discount on top of marketing materials!


~Dexx

Thanks Dexx~

In the meantime, if anyone needs some help, I have professional video editing software at home. Made a quick vid and dvd for a restaurant I plan to market for free. Not polished, but I only spent 5 minutes on it. Just took the pics off their existing website and made a 'Don Alm'-type video. Check it out at philpoli.com and let me know what you think.

Ideally I would take my own pics, and have the title at the end also at the front without the fade-up (so it displays in the thumbnail when I post to youtube, viddler, etc.).

[kelvin brown]

Phil, thanks for sharing the video. I am working on similar plans.

question: As a public place, why did you not show any people enjoying the restaurant?
( would we have to get them to sign a talent release)?

I also noticed you copied a map into the video. I am wondering if this is withing the TOS of gmaps.

I am gathering up prospects for simple 3 minute or less videos, but I want to focus more on how-to's.

For example I want to work with a local plumber, to do a monthly series.

Or a landscape to show what plants work best in our soil, or flower all year, etc.

Kelvin

[Bonnie]

Nice video, Phil! I was wondering the same thing as Kelvin -- images showing happy customers enjoying the food would be more powerful, but would we need permission to include images of people, even though they're in a public place? I guess you could get verbal permission just before snapping the photos... I can't imagine those who say "Sure!" coming back to sue you later just because you don't have their permission in writing. It'd probably be easier for the restaurant owner to do this, especially if he/she was a "meet and greet" kinda person that the regulars know and trust. Anyway, lots of good ideas here!

[phil]

Really, it was just a quick video test I put together. Those pics were from the customer site, so I just saved the pics and put each one up for 5 seconds with a dissolve. The google maps and reviews I put in there were just to see how the type would look translated to dvd and video compression. Like I said, it was inspired by one of Don Alm's threads, where he took pics of restaurants, came back with a dvd player, and sold them for about $300 each.

The video was made in an HD project, and I could easily run it as a commercial (HD or SD). Obviously if I were to do this for a client it would be more polished. As for people on camera or in pics having fun at the restaurant, you would definitely have to have them sign a release. Or at least post fliers at the entrance stating that you are making a video or commercial and that they will be on camera. I did a commercial for a local bar years ago and we did just that.

I may polish it up and show it to the owner after I offer to market him for free for 45 days. Then I could shop it around to other businesses and start a local business directory which would have their listing, a video link, review link, menu, etc., with backlinks to their websites and to mine. Perhaps even use it to get leads for people to advertise with google tv, although Comedy Central and siimilar tv networks only charge a few hundred dollars to air spots depending what time you want them to air.

If a client needs a commercial, I could buy HD equipment and return it the next week (B&H Photo in NYC has this return policy.

If anyone wants to check out some professional editing software, Avid has a 30 day trial for their software (fully functional). This and Final Cut Pro are what all the TV networks and Post Production houses use to edit movies, documentaries, commercials, music videos, etc. Depending on the budget, they may shoot on film first, and then transfer it to video. But if you want a film look there are plugins for that. Or you could shoot with an HD camera and set it to 23.976fps but actually record it at 59.94 (29.97).

[phil]

Phil, thanks for sharing the video. I am working on similar plans.

question: As a public place, why did you not show any people enjoying the restaurant?
( would we have to get them to sign a talent release)?

I also noticed you copied a map into the video. I am wondering if this is withing the TOS of gmaps.

I am gathering up prospects for simple 3 minute or less videos, but I want to focus more on how-to's.

For example I want to work with a local plumber, to do a monthly series.

Or a landscape to show what plants work best in our soil, or flower all year, etc.

Kelvin

I have a mini dv camcorder I bought 4 years ago. It shoots widescreen. I will do a test over the weekend and post a video for you to look at if you would like to see the quality it puts out. If I were to shoot a vid for a restaurant client, I would just ask them to state their name on the video and say that I have their permission to use the footage, or have them sign a release, etc.

I have no idea of the TOS of gmaps.

If you need it edited and put to DVD and web compression quickly (Iphone, youtube/viddler, Hulu, Blackberry, Itunes, etc.) and / or for tv, let me know. I have been doing this for quite some time (5 years at my last job) and I am thinking of taking a freelance job authoring DVDs on Scenarist (what all the movie houses use to author DVDs). Would be a temporary job but could prove to be useful.

Sounds like a great idea. You could do a lot with those how-to videos (sell them on clickbank, amazon, his/your website, etc.) You could pitch the monthly series to a cable network (I could talk to the Producers at BET if you like).

[MrPhelps]

If you're targeting for the web, just about any cheap video-enabled camera like a Flip or the Z-i8 will work fine.

if you want something for broadcast quality, call around locally. I found a local cable access channel place that rents out commercial-grade equipment for $60 a day. I wouldn't try buying a thousand dollar camera for a shoot, then returning it. Support your local businesses!

Better yet, offer a trade-out!

You can also look around for locals who make movies and see if they'll help for a small fee. Oftentimes they'll have commercial grade equipment that they can use.

Avid is top-of-the-line software, and very expensive.

You can get a copy of Final Cut Express on eBay for a couple hundred bucks, if you've got a Mac. Just be sure to avoid software on eBay that someone says, "I installed it to try it out, but then removed it". They've got a trial version, and you don't want to have to mess around getting a license key transferred.

-David

[RG]

Great advice David

If you're targeting for the web, just about any cheap video-enabled camera like a Flip or the Z-i8 will work fine.

I'd recommend the Kodak Zi8 over the Flip. The Kodak has both a tripod fixing (using a tripod will give a much more professional video result) and an external mic jack. An external mic will get much better sound quality as the internal mic in any camera is pretty naff. If you're taking video of people speaking to the camera take a look at a lapel mic (known as a lavalier) such as the Audio Technica ATR-3350 which has a 20ft cord, plugs straight into the Kodak and is $21 on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Technica-ATR-3.../dp/B002HJ9PTO

If you'd like an easier option than live video check out Animoto for an effective way to produce very professional looking slideshow style videos with broadcast quality dissolves, text and music:

http://animoto.com

And if you'd like something in between, this is the sort of stuff I do:

http://www.buzzvideo.co.uk

I've done these for a crash barrier seller (www.pakorningsskydd,se) and a pipe reliner (www.rorrelining.se) and they're well chuffed.

Hope this helps.

Rob

[phil]

If you're targeting for the web, just about any cheap video-enabled camera like a Flip or the Z-i8 will work fine.

if you want something for broadcast quality, call around locally. I found a local cable access channel place that rents out commercial-grade equipment for $60 a day. I wouldn't try buying a thousand dollar camera for a shoot, then returning it. Support your local businesses!

Better yet, offer a trade-out!

You can also look around for locals who make movies and see if they'll help for a small fee. Oftentimes they'll have commercial grade equipment that they can use.

Avid is top-of-the-line software, and very expensive.

You can get a copy of Final Cut Express on eBay for a couple hundred bucks, if you've got a Mac. Just be sure to avoid software on eBay that someone says, "I installed it to try it out, but then removed it". They've got a trial version, and you don't want to have to mess around getting a license key transferred.

-David

I mentioned B&H as it's their policy. They are the Walmart of Broadcast and computer equipment, and they also have a used dept. If you are looking to purchase new software, or video/camera stuff, check out the B&H site. They are usually the cheapest (most post houses in NYC buy from them because of this).

Another useful site alongside Craigslist is Mandy.com. You can find gigs and post jobs there (fully paid, lo-no, internship, etc).

Avid offers a fully functional 30 day trial version of their software, no cc required (www.avid.com, not an affiliate link) but it runs on Vista or higher for the PC version, Intel Mac Pro for the Mac version.

Final Cut Studio is a great product if you find it on Ebay, as it comes with Final Cut Pro, Compressor (for web and dvd files), and DVD Studio Pro (for authoring DVDS). Final cut only runs on the Macintosh platform.

As for 'broadcast quality,' you can pretty much get away with anything. I have seen VHS footage being broadcast.

[kevin aka hubcap]

I mentioned B&H as it's their policy. They are the Walmart of Broadcast and computer equipment, and they also have a used dept. If you are looking to purchase new software, or video/camera stuff, check out the B&H site. They are usually the cheapest (most post houses in NYC buy from them because of this).

Another useful site alongside Craigslist is Mandy.com. You can find gigs and post jobs there (fully paid, lo-no, internship, etc).

Avid offers a fully functional 30 day trial version of their software, no cc required (www.avid.com, not an affiliate link) but it runs on Vista or higher for the PC version, Intel Mac Pro for the Mac version.

Final Cut Studio is a great product if you find it on Ebay, as it comes with Final Cut Pro, Compressor (for web and dvd files), and DVD Studio Pro (for authoring DVDS). Final cut only runs on the Macintosh platform.

As for 'broadcast quality,' you can pretty much get away with anything. I have seen VHS footage being broadcast.

Good info but I want to mention a few things. Broadcast quality doesn't really depend on how pleasing a piece of video looks to the human eye. It's more a set of technical specifications that include items such as luminance, chrominance ,and bandwidth. These items are important because of the amount of processing applied to a broadcast signal before its aired.

Some modern prosumer camcorders can produce "broadcast quality" video but not all. For web video its really a non issue but if you're shooting something that's going to be aired locally or nationally (via cable etc) check with the station's broadcast engineer to make sure you're shooting in a format they can accept.

As far as editing software most manufacturers such as Avid, Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere Pro, Grass Valley offer a 30 day, fully functioning trial. In fact, the only piece of software that doesn't do this (that I'm aware of) is Final Cut Studio. You can also look into stand alone video editing appliances.

If you're a gadget freak (like me) and get the chance to visit B&H I'd highly recommend it. There are lots of toys to "play" with and you can be hands on with the equipment. They have an overhead conveyor belt/chute system that looks like something from Willy Wonka but I'd caution against continually purchasing, using, then returning equipment. Don't give them a reason to reverse a great policy that lets us "test drive" the gear.

Mandy.com is a great resource for finding video pros.

That's all I got.

Kevin

[phil]

Good info but I want to mention a few things. Broadcast quality doesn't really depend on how pleasing a piece of video looks to the human eye. It's more a set of technical specifications that include items such as luminance, chrominance ,and bandwidth. These items are important because of the amount of processing applied to a broadcast signal before its aired.
Kevin

Most editing and compression software have plugins or filters that can "legalize" the video for you. But aside from the 3-letter networks, most will just legalize it before they air it (PBS is the strictest).

[MrPhelps]

I got a disc (DVD) with one of my OS X updates that contained eval copies of a bunch of Apple's software, including I believe Final Cut Express.

My mention about the use of "any cheap video camera will work" -- I was mainly referring to the fact that most will shoot video in a format compatible with online media requirements. 320x240x256 is sufficient, but larger formats and greater color depth are also fine. Whether the camera has a tripod mount on it or not is of no concern to either YouTube or your local TV station.

I have a Canon PowerShot A650 IS, which is mainly a still camera. However, it does shoot videos saved to the internal SD memory, and will go for up to an hour or 4GB file size. It'll make 640x480 30fps AVI files that can be loaded straight to YouTube. To edit them, you need a converter, tho, because the AVI in this case is a series of JPG images strung together in an AVI container.

As a general suggestion, I've found that cameras with "IS" or "Image Stabilization" (whatever the vendor might call it) produce much smoother videos than those that don't have it, especially if you are zoomed-in at all on your subject.

-David

[Dexx]

Just a quick update guys, I just finished watching the 2009/2010 Live Event videos and just launched my first "Fireman Mike page" today...

Well it's been about 5hrs since I sent out my initial videos for the lead page, I already have 1st page ranking on Google for a buyer keyword phrase (ranked #6) and I have one captured lead (with phone number) already.

I'm going to see how the rankings look over the next 2-3 days and if everything looks good I'll send out my email messages AND direct mail messages...

I'll let you all know what the response is like that I get...but I've done my own little twist on the whole process which I might be able to make benefit ALL of us for how we deal with business owners (I'm excited to see how it turns out)

Stay tuned! =)

~Dexx

[zak]

hey Dexx,

is your captured lead for yourself, or for the 'generic' site you created for the niche (assuming you're following Mike's method)..? In other words, what are your plans for the lead? Will they just sit there until you get a client? Or are they already plugged into an autoresponder??

[Dexx]

Well I ended up refunding my MSMM purchase, realized a lot of the tools/materials were of no use to me, and that I could develop my own lead generation pages and marketing reports myself without spendng $2,500 =)

But yes the lead will just sit there, not plugged into anything, but shows it works (to myself and prospective clients)

~Dexx

[success123]

Dexx, I did the same. Felt a little guilty. They refunded my first month without issue. After paying on it for 6 months the price is something like $367 a month. There was some interesting stuff there but most of the tools aren't needed. I have autoresponders, can easily do lead capture pages and edit videos etc. I ended up just going with the traffic geyser. Though there are services out there that upload for free. I figured the podcast being included may be worth it.

[larryfoster]

I didn't get it.
(Swore off high priced launches)

In another (private) offline forum, I've noticed that some aren't getting the results they expected

[jacquic]

Dexx, I'm not surprised that you handed back the course - not because of what it contains or doesn't contain, but because you know enough already about what tools are out there and how to use them.

You have enough knowledge to become very well off this year - I hope you have set a high goal for yourself!

Success123, don't feel guilty - if they don't want to make some refunds, they shouldn't make guarantees. I'm sure they are fine. So long as you don't rip off what they've done, worry not! It's good you're able to look objectively and with knowledge at what's on offer. Do you have some clients lined up?

~ Jacqui

[MrPhelps]

It's always been very clear (to me, anyway) that MSMM is a "premium upsell" for Traffic Geyser. Mike has used that strategy three times now, and it's working well for him. All of the marketing stuff he's bundling into it is more or less free with the "Diamond" TG package, which itself is a killer deal IF you're going to take advantage of it. OTOH, if you're not using the basic $97/mo TG package, the Diamond package isn't going to be very useful.

My only observation is that Mike's reliance on the "Fireman Mike" approach is rather one-dimensional. It was good for motivating sales, but it only gets you so far.

I'd pit Don Alm against Fireman Mike any day of the week! Unfortunately, Don's tactics aren't going to gain much leverage when combined directly with TG.

TG is a tool. If it were a hammer, Mike has made a bunch of noise about using it to build a treehouse. People are finding limitations in marketing treehouses, so they're asking for refunds. The rest of us see it for what it is, and recognize that there are a whole lot of other things you can do with it besides build treehouses. It's not Mike's job to teach us the myriad of ways to use TG. Besides, the best folks will be like Don Alm and find their own unique approaches.

I chose to purchase MSMM through the guys at SYNND. Nobody here has mentioned them, so I must be the only one aware of what they do. I think they've got a $1 / 14 day trial right now. Their "bonus" was access to another whole back-end marketing system that's a lot more cohesive and extensive than the basic "Fireman Mike" approach.

In the end, they're all just tools. What you do with them is up to you.

-David

[ClayFranklin]

I am in MSMM also and look forward to networking here with you. New to TG.

[Tsarina]

OFF: Must love this little positioning trick from http://maverickwebvideo.com/

[zak]

hmm, not sure what i think...

I couldn't resist knowing knowing more so i emailed them to ask how they could make reference to these networks without a specific reference.

[Patty Gale]

hmm, not sure what i think...

I couldn't resist knowing knowing more so i emailed them to ask how they could make reference to these networks without a specific reference.

I agree.. This is misleading unless you've specifically been interviewed by or seen on those main stream networks.

[Dexx]

Well I think its because they aren't saying that THEY have been "seen on..." but that they use strategies that HAVE been discussed on those media networks.

I mean in theory we could say we are using proven strategies known to increase business profits successfully the past 50 years. (like building a relationship with customers)

Dunno the legalness of it all, but I do know that a lot of CPA/PPC affiliate networks were sued by Oprah and Dr. Phil for using their trademark (names) to promote their products for Acai Berry and Green Tea stuff...

I think I'd prefer to just say "as seen on..." and then show Google, BING, Yahoo, YouTube logos (because you actually will find my material on those sites =)

~Dexx

[ramprof]

Many online marketers began doing this about a year or two ago. Not sure who first suggested it, but the idea was that your ad appeared on their Web site so officially you could say As Seen On.... Of course that is extremely misleading, but probably no more so than the actual sales letter :-)

[SEODiva]

Howdy,

New to the forum and picking up some clients..Looked at all the MM videos and then I did purchase Local Flip Formula and read that and all the freebies those guys offered. I made one sale so far and only done this a week..

I have fairly decent IM experience so understand KW research pretty well using Market Samurai and Domain Samurai. I live in a small town so will be kickin it there to get my chops and then branch out...also want to implement flipping the sites on Craigslist...

So with that said, now that you have cleared your heads from joining and getting refunded from MMMS what can we implement. I can do the videos and I opted in to the Maverick guys email responder to get access to the free 30 vidz he gives away...easily duplicated by anyone with a flip cam or Camtasia or Jing in a pinch..

How can we leverage this info to make bank....I am interested cause I had to resist with all my might not to buy and then once I saw all the refunds I knew I was OK...

So is there a thread that has the instructional aftermath of what was learned and what can be salvaged and implemented from the MMMS debacle?

Thanks...